A mí me ha encantado. Creo que pilla lo mejor del Porfiriana (puteo, golpes bajos, combos tó guapos,...) y la sencillez del Pamir (economía muy ajustada, acciones en las propias cartas, colocación de piezas al jugar la carta,...)

Lo más complicado es saber hacia dónde ir porque las condiciones de victoria son 100% Eklund y hasta que no las dominas puede ocurrir que alguien gane o pierda por no fijarse en algún pequeño detalle.

Lo que más me gusta es la forma en que ha conseguido integrar las guerras religiosas y el comercio marítimo de la época.

Las reglas necesitan más de una lectura y creo imprescindible jugar una partida de prueba con amigos imaginarios para ver cómo funciona todo el tinglado. Una vez desfacido el entuerto de las reglas, la verdad que son más sencillas que el Porfiriana, por poner un ejemplo.
De momento, lo sitúo entre Porfiriana y Pamir en cuanto a preferencia y eso que he estado probando el Pamir con la expansión y mejora un montón la experiencia.

Si la traducción está al mismo nivel que la de Clásicos del Mazmorreo nos encontraremos un producto muy bien traducido y revisado.

Cita de: CuthbertGrau en 22 de Marzo de 2017, 10:45:52
En mi grupo de juego no hemos jugado a rol de libro en la  :'(vida.
¿Recomendáis esta versión para empezar con el grupo?

La caja de inicio de D&D 5a es muy buena y bastante completa, además de barata. Creo que puede ser un gran portal para comenzar a jugar a rol.

Pandemic: The Board Game a 1,99 euros.

Cita de: cartesius en 15 de Noviembre de 2016, 12:38:54

- Si no hay florines sobre la carta de Feria (da igual Oriente que Occidente) y jugamos la Feria Comercial sobre esa Feria, el jugador obtiene 1 florín y la acción se acaba inmediatamente, ¿no? ¿Se añadiría un token en el Imperio donde sale la ruta?

Ojo que antes de comenzar la ruta añades dos florines procedentes de China al total que haya en la carta del mercado en cuestión. Así que la ruta sería más larga.

Por otra parte, hay que recordar que la victoria imperial se obtiene si tienes dos imperios más que otro jugador que estén por la cara de Rey.

Cita de: Ziran en 15 de Marzo de 2017, 15:46:19
Buenas !!

Si no he entendido mal, va a sacar un juego más tipo euro en un kickstarter donde uno de los pledges sera comprar la reimpresión de Gloomhaven... ¿Con miniaturas?.

A principio de Abril veremos como sale porque puede, como el mismo dice, que la reimpresión canibalice al nuevo juego..

¿De una edición en Español nos olvidamos viendo como se desenvuelve todo no?

No será obligatorio comprar el nuevo juego para poder adquirir el Gloomhaven.

Cita de: Delan en 11 de Marzo de 2017, 22:17:11

Cita de: Kaxte en 11 de Marzo de 2017, 15:11:33
Pues si es por eso, el Runewars no tiene dados, y no creo que nadie lo califique de "euro"... Mejor que mejor

Hombre no tiene dados pero lanzas un token y a ver que sale. Gloomhaven es ligeramente mas complejo que eso XDDD

Eso es en Runebound  , en Runewars se sacan cartas de un mazo de batalla.

Cita de: Delan en 10 de Marzo de 2017, 11:07:21
Los dials esos si que son tentadores porque vaya tela lo mal.que van XD

En el enlace que he puesto se explica que se podrán pedir en una tienda online de USA. Eso sí, no sé a qué precio.

El bueno de Isaac Childres ha confirmado que, coincidiendo con el Kickstarter de Founders of Gloomhaven también se va a realizar una reimpresión de Gloomhaven.

El diseñador ha confirmado que se ofrecerá la versión para tiendas con la opción de comprar las minis por separado, así como reglamento corregido, caja reforzada y "dials" nuevos para contabilizar los HP y la XP de los personajes.

Founders of Gloomhaven comenzará su andadura en KS durante el mes de abril y se prevé que la reedición de Gloomhaven esté disponible a mediados de agosto.

Toda la información aquí:
http://archive.aweber.com/isaac-childres/Dng5G/h/A_Flood_of_Activity.htm


A continuación el registro de cambios entre la primera y la segunda edición:

1. Typo fixes
2. Clarifications
3. Physical component changes
4. Balancing (quality of life)

1 & 2. Now, typo fixes and clarifications are confined mainly to the rule book and scenario books. Clarifications include a lot of rewording of the rule book text to give people a quicker understanding of the rules. Typos include the addition and changing of some of the achievements in the scenario book to cover up some loopholes that left people in weird, unintended situations.

I won't cover all the small typo fixes in the books or event cards, or any of the many changes in the rule book. This thread has the rule book pretty well covered, and you can always get a PDF of the new versions of the rules and scenario book here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8ppELln5Z0rdEFIWl9a...

I will, however, try to cover all the achievement changes in the scenario book. I also will cover the major typo changes on ability cards. And I will cover clarifications made to item and ability cards.

3. Physical component changes are pretty simple to explain, and I will do so here. The major one is the HP/EXP dials and subsequent redesign on the character mats. If you want the dials, you can get them from the Kickstarter, but there will be no way to get the new mats, as I don't feel the change is significant enough to warrant charging people to replace them. Here is a side-by-side comparison of the two versions of the Brute's mats (ignore the difference in lighting effects).




We are also reinforcing the box to make it less prone to splitting in the seams. As a physical component upgrade, printing off empty boxes to send to people would end up costing you heavily because of the size, so I decided against making this available for the Kickstarter as well.

Finally, we are changing the plastic stands, as there have been complaints about the old ones. I initially chose the triangle stands from the first printing because they are the best for reducing wear on the stands themselves because they clip on. They are very large, though, covering up a significant portion of the standees, and aren't quite calibrated to the thickness of the stands, and if you don't know how to use them properly or get a bad batch, they can break easily. I decided it was worth it to switch to something smaller, more durable, and better fitting. Here is a picture of what they look like:



These are not available separately as part of the Kickstarter campaign, but you can find equivalent quality stands here: https://www.spielematerial.de/en/standfuesse-variabel-farbig... and here: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/fantasy-fligh... (though you'll have to paint these). I have heard they both work great. They are not exact replicas, though. If someone can find a website selling exact replicas, let me know (dimensions are 19mm x 19mm x 11mm).

4. And then we get to balancing stuff. I really even hate to use the word "balance," as it implies a level of imbalance to start. I think "quality of life" is a better term. For instance, there is nothing imbalanced about the original prosperity track, but I decided that more people would just be happier if it went a little faster, so I decreased the number of boxes. Or it was just sort of annoying how the Cragheart's Unstable Upheaval went from being a melee attack to a ranged attack when you consumed earth, so I changed it to be less annoying.

Yes, there are some strict balancing changes to make the characters a little more equal, but I wouldn't consider the changes to be monumental or game breaking. Just some small tweaks here and there.

The main thing I want to stress here, and I really can't stress it strongly enough, is that the game you have in front of you right now is in no way made invalid by these types of changes. I think there are thousands of people who would agree that the game is pretty fantastic. At least that's what I can gather from all the high ratings.

Does knowledge of these small balancing tweaks really suddenly make the game less fun for you than it was a week ago? Please just seriously think about the question.

Moreover, keep in mind that these are not the correct versions of the cards for the first printing. I am not suggesting that you implement any of these changes. I was asked what the changes were, and I am simply obliging that request.

With all of that said, I guess it is time to document them all.

Main board:
The prosperity level track was reduced by one box for each level. So instead of 5, 6, 7, etc., it is now 4, 5, 6, etc.

Punchboards:
The curse and bless square tokens were replaced by extra poison, wound, and muddle tokens. (The original curse and bless tokens had no function.)
The 10 exp tokens were replaced by "scenario aid" tokens which look similar to the red circle numbered and lettered icons in the rule book. These can be used to help track various effects and triggers in a scenario but are not at all necessary for play.

Scenario book: (these can all be seen in the link above)
p2: Cragheart suggested items changed
p6: Slight tweak to the setup of archers and shaman for lower player counts to make sure an elite always starts on the board.
p7: Reduction of difficulty in two rooms, so there is a more natural progression of difficulty from the starting scenarios to this one.
p8: Changed Living Corpses to Living Bones to reduce the overall tracking required by the scenario.
p13: Added more Vermlings to the map and increased the boss's Special 1 to increase the difficulty of the scenario.
p14: Fixed the numbering on the treasure tile (11 instead of 55).
p14: Changed the name of achievement requirement to close an achievement loophole.
p16: Fixed both boss special mistakes.
p16&17 Added item 113 design to the rewards.
p24: Reduced the number of Vermlings in the last room to slightly reduce the difficulty.
p26: Fixed boss special omission.
p28: Changed the name of achievement requirement to close an achievement loophole.
p29: Changed the name of global achievement to close an achievement loophole.
p34: Defined escaping.
p35: Changed mechanics of how to cleanse water pumps to reduce difficulty.
p37: Changed the name of global achievement to close an achievement loophole. Also added a prosperity reward.
p44: Defined escaping.
p45: Specified that the boss is immune to forced movement. Also added a lost achievement to close an achievement loophole.
p46&47: Changed the name of achievement requirement to close an achievement loophole.
p47: Removed superfluous boss special.
p48: Changed the name of global achievement to close an achievement loophole.
p49: Defined escape.
p56: Added missing global achievement.
p60: Added achievement requirement to close an achievement loophole.
p62: Specified that the boss is immune to forced movement.
p69: Made it easier to the loot the treasure tiles.
p77: Reduced number of drakes to reduce difficulty.
p78: Made treasure tiles easier to loot to reduce difficulty. Also defined escaping.
p88: Reworded special rules for clarity.
p90: Made it easier to wake up the sleeping drakes. Also defined escaping.
p92: Slightly reduced enemy counts to reduce difficulty.
p101: Clarified boss specials.
p115: Changed Icestorm to Lavaflow, just because that enemy type wasn't represented enough.
p119-121: Added "gain" to treasure tile reward descriptions in all cases where the looter immediately gains something.

Sticker sheets:
Global achievements: Combined "The Demon Dethroned" and "The Rift Closed" into a single achievement "The Rift Neutralized," as it was causing many problems that they were separate. To fix this problem in the first printing, just use either one (whichever you gain first) as a representation of both for scenario requirements. It is still possible to gain this achievement twice, but if you have it once, you can't earn it again.

Battle goals:
Just typo fixes.

Personal quests:
513: Reduced the number of kills needed to 8.
514: Reduced the number of triggers required to 12.
516: Reduced the number of kills needed to 15.
521: Reduced number of scenarios required to 3.
522: Reduced number of scenarios required to 6.
523: Reduced number of kills required (one of each instead of two).
526: Reduced number of scenarios required to 4.
530: Reduced the number of enhancements required to 4.
533: Reduced the number of kills required (three of each instead of four)

City Events:
All of the following events were changed to include requirements for having enough money, using the "Pay X gold:" conditional statement:
02: Otherwise return card to deck
03: Otherwise return card to deck
08: Otherwise return card to deck
11: Otherwise remove card and lose 1 reputation
15: Otherwise remove card and lose 1 check
16: Otherwise remove card
19: If you don't have the money for the top part, read the bottom part
41: Otherwise return card to deck
43: Otherwise read outcome B
48: Otherwise remove card
57: Otherwise remove card
66: Otherwise read outcome B
67: Otherwise read outcome B

Road Events:
28: If you can't pay the potion for outcome A, read outcome B.
35: If you can't pay the gold for outcome B, read outcome A.

Monster stats:
Spitting Drake: Reduced level 0 elites' attack to 4.
Scenario 46 Boss: "Summon P eggs" changed to "Summon C eggs."

Monster ability cards:
648: Added "+"s to the top ability.
679, 591, 590, and 713: Heal abilities all specify "range 3."

Attack mods:
110: Added rolling icon.

Items:
Item 107: Movement requirement for bonus increased to 4.

Character sheets:
Cragheart and Mindthief: Changed "negative dungeon effects" to "negative scenario effects."

Character ability cards:



088: Removed 1st and 3rd exp from the bottom ability charges.
099: Changed move 4 to move 2 on bottom.
106: Removed one exp from the bottom, giving exp on the 2nd, 4th and 6th charges.



151: Fixed typo on top (Changed to "on your melee attacks").
164: Removed hit point limit on the top kill power.



067: Removed the exp on bottom.



118: Clarified placement of obstacles on bottom.
123: Top is no longer a ranged attack when earth is consumed.
134: Clarified damage of top ability.

Usad este hilo para Dudas de Reglas, por favor. 

Yo hace como cien millones de años que no juego pero si montamos un grupito para jugar de vez en cuando me apuntaría.

Hablo de memoria pero creo que está bien contestado.

1.- Viernes no se contabiliza como un jugador a la hora de crear un refugio, tejados o empalizada. Por ejemplo, si jugáis dos jugadores más Viernes, el construir el refugio o niveles de tejado o empalizada os costaría dos maderas o una piel, tal y como se indica en el tablero.

2.- No entiendo muy bien lo que preguntas pero ese +3 temporal en el nivel de armas hace que aumente el nivel de forma temporal al enfrentarse con un peligro. Si durante ese enfrentamiento baja el nivel de armas se tiene en cuenta el aumento que te da Frenesí y al acabar el enfrentamiento o evento el nivel vuelve a como estaba antes de empezarlo.

3.- Los objetos que añaden niveles de Armas te dan la bonificación una vez. Si algún evento te hace perder niveles de Armas se baja lo que se indique sin tener en cuenta cómo lo habíamos subido anteriormente.

Sí que se puede.

Yo creo que no vale la pena.
En primer lugar, algunos de los monstruos tienen habilidades que "rompen" algunos escenarios de la 2a edición y algunos héroes son demasiado poderosos o poco potentes.

Apostaría más por las actualizaciones de Héroes y Monstruos que se fusionan mejor con el sistema Descent 2a.

Cita de: rober331 en 07 de Febrero de 2017, 16:39:49
Pero a parte del corte de las cartas, y las traducciones creo que había otras erratas no?
Faltaba algo en el manual, y algunas cartas mal redactadas, de eso DEVIR no ha confirmado nada?

En el reglamento no pone nada de que al final de turno tienes que quedarte con máximo 7 cartas y luego hay cosas que no se entienden muy bien (esto ya es mi opinión personal). Por lo que se ve tradujeron el primer reglamento original y no el revisado.