Sobre la 3.ª edición de Indonesia

[queroscia]

Buenas a todos:

Este hilo está especialmente dirigido a todos aquellos jugadores que conozcan bien el juego Indonesia, pues yo no he tenido ocasión de jugarlo, aunque no me faltan ganas. Al parecer, después de la cagada de la 2.ª edición y de la mantenida dificultad de jugabilidad debido a algunos componentes, splotter ha decido realizar importantes cambios en el juego.

Lo que de verdad me gustaría es conocer las opiniones de los versados en el juego sobre si los cambios bien merecen la pena para embarcarse en esta tercera edición. Mil gracias.

Esto es lo que puede leerse en la web de splotter hoy:

About the 3rd Edition of Indonesia:

This third edition has quite a lot of changes compared to the second edition. Originally, we wanted to do a straight reprint. But... Joshua Starr from Grand Trunk Games volunteered his time to write a very thorough analysis of everything we could improve. After reading his report, we decided to make some big changes. Janek Lipinsky, the artist who made the Horseless Carriage design, worked with us to implement all these changes.

So what is different? The short answer is: close to everything, except for the gameplay. In detail:

· we have a new board, with green areas that are better differentiated, borders that are more clear, and new icons to indicate what will appear in the regions
· the goods will be represented by very thick cardboard tokens, so that we can use full colour print for them. Janek redesigned the goods to be easier to recognize-- they are now closer to the 1st edition goods than to the 2nd edition ones. And of course we made them a bit smaller than in the second edition ;-)
· the ships have been completely redesigned. They are made out of wood again (as in the 1st edition) but they are much bigger than the first edition ships and will be silkscreen printed to resemble Buginese sailing ships (like the cardboard ones in the 2nd edition)..We also changed the colours and amounts to make it easier to play with merged shipping companies.
· the company cards have been redesigned to be much easier to read and use. There will be big cards to use as companies and small indicators to show their location on the map during bidding.
· the cities will still be glass stones, but they now also have a little cardboard indicator that you can use to place goods so it is easier to see what has been delivered to the city
· little wooden indicators have been added to show which player owns which company on the map
· we made a new player aid and a screen to hide money/bids
· we changed the name of the TV dinner to the (more) correct siap saji

[kesulin]

No conozco la segunda, y los cambios que veo son puramente estéticos respecto a la primera edición.

Los problemas de jugabilidad no se solventan, sobretodo el problema de que barcos has usado y cuantas veces. En la parte final de la partida era bastante engorro.

"we have a new board, with green areas that are better differentiated, borders that are more clear, and new icons to indicate what will appear in the regions"
El problema del mapa original era que había algunos bordes confusos, sobretodo extrechos. No aclara que hayan solucionado esto.
Yo nunca tuve problemas con los iconos viejos.

"· the goods will be represented by very thick cardboard tokens, so that we can use full colour print for them. Janek redesigned the goods to be easier to recognize-- they are now closer to the 1st edition goods than to the 2nd edition ones. And of course we made them a bit smaller than in the second edition ;-)"
Los de la primera edición diría que eran demasiado pequeños y finos. Si los mejoran y son más manejables mejor.

"· the ships have been completely redesigned. They are made out of wood again (as in the 1st edition) but they are much bigger than the first edition ships and will be silkscreen printed to resemble Buginese sailing ships (like the cardboard ones in the 2nd edition)..We also changed the colours and amounts to make it easier to play with merged shipping companies."
Que yo recuerde, no tuve problemas más allá de en la parte final alguna compañía tener que usar 2 colores porque no había suficientes barcos del mismo color.

"· the company cards have been redesigned to be much easier to read and use. There will be big cards to use as companies and small indicators to show their location on the map during bidding."
Esto no es una mejora, las originales ya tenían una coordenada como ayuda.

"· the cities will still be glass stones, but they now also have a little cardboard indicator that you can use to place goods so it is easier to see what has been delivered to the city"
Puede que en la parte final de partida sea una ayuda, pero no veo indispensable esta mejora.

"· we made a new player aid and a screen to hide money/bids
· we changed the name of the TV dinner to the (more) correct siap saji"
Siap Faji (conocida por comida para microondas en el grupo), ya era el nombre original en la primera edición.
¿Las pantallas para que sirven? la puja que yo recuerde era abierta, ¿no?